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![]() I am not certain if my post on the Norvergence conspiracy theory has made any converts, but it certainly has generated feedback and comments, which is good. I would like to respond to these comments in one place, if I may. It is true that many lessors had a “We need to get some of that” attitude towards Norvergence business, so you could use the “if it is too good to be true…” argument here. There also were lapses in residual and operational diligence, and, as in any business (just think of your own industry) there are sleazy individuals. I still have a real difficult time, however, accepting the premise that there is collusion and willful deception going on in the mainstream leasing industry and that lessors are out “to get” lessees. As a case in point, I have been in industry meetings in which the concept of sharing data such as loss experience, etc., generated a genuine fear that such an exchange would be considered anti-competitive and a form of collusion subject to prosecution. As such, the idea never got off the ground.
Putting aside the emotions, ethics, etc., it just doesn’t make economic sense for lessors, or anyone else, to knowingly enter into transactions that will eventually collapse (Ponzi schemes) or in which they must rely on legal enforcement to collect. A lessor only generates about $2,500 of cash on a $50,000 transaction after paying taxes, which is not a whole lot. Why would someone say we are going to screw this lessee with a bad deal and if they complain, we will win in court? The profit is gone on such a deal after several hours of legal work, especially when you consider the internal costs to even get to that point. Such an attitude will kill your repeat business and decimate your industry. As Gerry Egan, a long time lessor, points out, customer retention and business longevity “… isn't about what I can get away with legally in the fine print, it's about what makes good business sense.” I would like to think that most lessors follow this good advice.
I am sorry that you have been taken advantage of, but the Norvergence debacle was not a conspiracy amongst lessors. So, why, you ask, did lessors not respond to lessee information and feedback on the problems? Most of it was bureaucracy and processes being followed at a low staff level. People had their job to do and were not aware, or interested, enough to see the big picture or, in some cases, as another reader pointed out, maybe “it is an individual buyer, a commissioned performance driven corporate drone who ignores obvious signs so he or she can make the quarterly number.” Finally, although of little consolation, because of issues like the Allserve and Norvergence frauds, the ELA has reviewed and revised its code of ethics and identified a list of practices that it would like to see reconsidered. Are you convinced yet?
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What Mr. Halladay and many other leasing company officials fail to recognize was that dealing with Norvergence was not business as usual and many leasing company officials recognized this and then fell into two differing camps. The HONEST, ETHICAL, SOMETHING SEEMS FISHY CAMP passed on the slick Norvergence sales presentations where lease agreements had to be called rental agreements to not alarm the pending customers and the profit margins promised were way outside the typical leasing boundaries. These leasing companies knew right away that they should stay far and away from Norvergence and many eventually bragged about it. Thanks, but no thanks.
This brings us to the SLEAZY, UNETHICAL, PROFIT AT ANY COST LEASING COMPANIES as well as the others that rode their coat tails camp. Many of these companies became very close and intertwined with Norvergence. Much closer than any typical Lessor/Vendor relationship. So close that some of their employees actually signed rental agreements on behalf of Norvergence and then miraculously signed the assignment letter on behalf of the leasing company just days later. These same companies also decided that Norvergence was so risky that they had to create secret master agreements which protected the leasing company to any and all extents and allowed them to continue to get paid by or sue the lessee in the event that Norvergence failed their obligations or ceased to exist. These sleazy unethical companies also wrote into these carefully crafted agreements that if Norvergence turned out to be a fraud that Norvergence would have to foot the bill and buy them out of all their fraudulent paper, yet they forgot about or tried to bury that provision when Norvergence filed for bankruptcy. OOPS!
The Bottom line is that most lease transactions involve a lessee that wants to lease legitimate equipment from a legitimate vendor through a legitimate leasing company. The lessee controls most of the transaction. I would imagine that 95% of these leases raise no eyebrows and the lessor earns their profit through the reasonable interest they charge. This was not the Norvergence Business Model and despite the efforts by Mr. Halladay and others in the leasing industry to compare Norvergence to a typical lease transaction, the Bankruptcy Trustee, The FTC, and dozens of State AG's as well as us, the Norvergence Victims know this argument falls on deaf ears. Specifically, Norvergence gave "others" the means and instrumentalities to commit fraud or profit from it and we all know who those "others" refers too.
Terry
King Coffee Services
These responders have it exactly right. Mr. Halliday, try to imagine how blind a leasing company vice president would have to be to see dozens of leases a day (and that is what it was in March thru June when it all exploded), with exactly the same piece of 'equipment' on leases with face values varying from $20,000 u to $150,000. Would that make you think? These were agreements for services, obviously. The 'lease' was a fiction to get the service agreements forward funded. The 'matrix box' was entirely incidental. ALL of the expense of the business was to pay Qwest for the T1 line, to pay Sprint and then ATT for the cell phones, and to pay the boiler-room people in New Jersey their small salaries ... and of course the Salzanos for their cars and boats. The more services the customer needed, the larger the lease. The equipment was identical in every case. Is that the way it is when we lease a car, or a tractor, or a large computer? Please don't patronize us. The lease company executives knew exactly what was happening. They never wrote leases in their own states -- wonder why? This doesn't really take a lot of imagination to see that the leasing industry, dozens of companies, were in it for the big profits, not the 2.5% they might get on a car or tractor deal.
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You present a picture of leasing companies who, in the face of 2.5% average profit on a deal, saw a deal that gave them 5-10 times the profit, victims with great credit who would value their credit if anything went wrong, hell or high water leases that gave them ironclad protection, and the knowledge that these businesses were too small to have IT depts or lawyers. Furthermore, they did not count on duking it out in court becase their history showed that businesses of our size rolled over and paid when things went wrong. They just did not count on us banning together and fighting. So, maybe they just looked the other way and held their noses cause the deals stunk to high heaven. And maybe the rewards, compounded by hundreds of lessees were just too good. 25% profit margine is not small potatoes. They just didn't see how they could lose. Conspiracy? Maybe not. Innocence? Absolutely not.
Posted by: A Texas Victim | July 27, 2006 8:52 PM | Permalink to Comment